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Author Topic: Does new overtime rules affect you? (US employees)  (Read 1282 times)
semaxwell1
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« on: August 24, 2004, 12:11:55 am »

I currently don't make enough for it to affect me since I only work part-time, but when I do start making enough money, I'm sure it will. Does this affect any of you? Are any of you highly dependent on overtime pay? I wonder how many employers might abuse this and force their salaried employees to work overtime knowing they won't get paid for it, or how many office support personnel will refuse to work overtime now because they aren't going to get paid for it.

"New overtime rules: Who knows?" By Leigh Strope, Associated Press
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/employment/2004-08-23-overtime-now_x.htm

WASHINGTON — Paychecks could surge or shrink for workers across the country starting today, when sweeping changes to the nation's overtime pay rules take effect.
The major overhaul, the first in more than half a century, is aimed at mostly white-collar workers. The Labor Department says manual laborers and other blue-collar workers will not be affected.

The new rules are intended to limit workers' multimillion-dollar lawsuits, many of them successful, claiming they were cheated of overtime pay for working more than 40 hours a week.

Retailers, restaurants, insurance firms and banks have been targets, and jobs in those places are generally exempt from overtime in the new rules. They include chefs, pharmacists, funeral directors, embalmers, journalists, insurance claims adjusters, low- and midlevel bank managers and dental hygienists. (Related: Steve Strauss: Details are mostly bad for employees.)

There is little agreement by the Bush administration, employer groups, labor experts and others on how many workers will gain or lose the right to overtime pay under the new rules in the Fair Labor Standards Act.

"To be candid, no one knows," said Jerry Hunter, a labor lawyer at Bryan Cave LLP in St. Louis and former general counsel of the National Labor Relations Board during the first Bush administration.

Employers have sought changes for decades, complaining the regulations were ambiguous and out of date, and questioning why highly paid professionals should get overtime pay. Labor unions, however, say the new rules are intended to reduce employers' costs.

Estimates of how many workers will lose their overtime eligibility range from 107,000 to 6 million. Workers who could become newly eligible range from very few to 1.3 million.

"Not only is the Labor Department unsure, but a lot of people in a lot of industries are unsure," Hunter said. "This is all very fluid right now."

Whether the new rules will reduce litigation is questionable, experts say. Lawyers representing workers have found the suits lucrative.

"This has become a very big area of plaintiffs' employment law, and it is not simply going to go away because of these new regulations," Bill Schurgin, a labor lawyer in the Chicago office of Seyfarth Shaw.

Critics say the changes will eliminate overtime for millions of middle-class Americans struggling in a weak jobs market.

"These are drastic changes that will hurt working families," said Karen Nussbaum, executive director of Working America, an AFL-CIO organization created for workers unable to join unions. The AFL-CIO is holding a protest outside the Labor Department on Monday.

Labor Secretary Elaine Chao has created a task force that will be "looking very closely and critically at any reclassifications that result in workers losing their overtime status," said Steven Law, deputy secretary.

The department's Wage and Hour Division "will be very, very carefully monitoring and following up with enforcement," especially in high-violation industries, he said. The department won $212 million in back wages for overtime violations in 2003, a 21% increase.

At Denver Water, a public utility, none of the 1,050 employees will be reclassified, said benefits manager Jim Crockett.

"We were in compliance before, and when I analyzed the jobs for the new rules, it came up that no changes were necessary," he said.

When in doubt, the utility classifies workers as overtime-eligible, Crockett said. For example, its survey chiefs are in the field only during only summer months supervising crews; the rest of the year they oversee few workers, if any. But the chiefs are given overtime status, he said.

What's happening in general:

•About 107,000 white-collar workers now eligible for overtime pay who earn $100,000 or more annually could lose it under the new rules, the Labor Department said.

•About 1.3 million workers, mostly low- and midlevel managers at stores and restaurants, who earn less than $23,660 a year will be newly eligible. However, employers can avoid paying them overtime by raising their salaries, so critics say far fewer will benefit from overtime.

•For white-collar workers who fall between those salary levels, their overtime status depends on their job duties and experience. The rules revamp the definitions of professional, administrative and executive employees, called "duties tests," that are used to determine eligibility.

For example, professional employees exempt from overtime had professional degrees. The new rule allows employers to substitute work experience and instruction.

Executive employees had authority to hire and fire. The new rule expands that provision, saying an executive can make recommendations that carry weight regarding employment status.

Labor leaders say slight changes in wording could exempt millions from overtime pay. The Labor Department says duties are more clear and make status more certain, resulting in "few, if any" losing overtime.

The changes will prompt "a whole new round of litigation to determine what these phrases mean," said Baldwin Robertson, a Washington labor lawyer hired by Working America to answer workers' questions on its Web site.

(Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)


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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2004, 04:57:28 pm »

As a salaried employee, I am not eligible for overtime pay.  I don't usually work too many extra hours, so it doesn't really matter.  It's more important to me to be able to leave here at 5:00pm to get home at a reasonable hour than to be able to make extra $$ in overtime, anyway.

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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2004, 05:37:34 pm »

I'm not salaried but I never work overtime.  The company doesn't encourage it, and frankly neither do I.  I just want to put in my 40 hours and then go home.

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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2004, 12:52:49 pm »

I work minimal overtime and although I would qualify for it I have an agreement with my supervisor to take it in comp time which I would rather have anyway.  Therfore, for every hour worked I take an hour off.

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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2004, 04:17:20 pm »

I don't know yet. Will my position be reclassified for this. I make $28,000 but am not salaried or management. I am considered a confidential employee.

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2004, 05:45:25 pm »

It's very very important that you get the correct information when it comes to something as important as the salary rules in the US.  Please visit the home page of the US website and find the link for the Fair Pay initiative, that will take you directly to the relevant pages on the Department of Labor website so that you can get the correct information from the proverbial horses mouth.

http://us.deskdemon.com/pages/index.html

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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2005, 07:19:01 pm »

Salary review were completed this month and the new overtime rules affect 3 of us.  We were reclassified as exempt thus losing overtime pay.  They did adjust our salary to compensate for average overtime worked in the previous year.  

Not quite sure which way I want to feel about this as it will encourage me to leave on time and take a lunch instead of trying to get just one more thing in..


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