Why Did This Happen?

[americanwoman]

because I didn't read any "tolerance" in goldenearring's posts. I read judgment, hypocrisy and one contradiction after another.  SisterEarring, you can out-waffle Aunt Jemima!

Hey, RadarO, wanna go for a ride in my Ark?

[goldenearring]

Hey, baby, even the blind will see some day!    Have yourself a super week.  Maybe someday you'll explain your analogy to Aunt Jemima.  I can't be the only one whose head that went over.  GE, longin' for a deep discussion, but I can see it probably ain't gonna happen with you.  LOL

[andream]

and American woman, my kudos to the posters involved did not deal with the content of their individual posts but with their ability NOT to get nasty with each other.  No more no less.

Andrea

[barbri]

Okay, just gonna throw my 2 cents in here. Yes, I am a Christian. No, I don't believe that Christians have a corner on morality, but I do believe we are the only ones who have accepted the gift of salvation. (Note that I said accepted, not the only ones who are given God's grace and salvation - those gifts are offered to everyone.) I know many good and moral people who are not Christians.

I also agree that God allows evil. That is a price we pay for being given free will. If we didn't have free will, we wouldn't be able to make bad choices and sin and evil would not exist. Given that, can God use what happened on 9/11 to bring the world closer to Him? You bet! He can use anything - no matter how horrible - to fulfill His plan.

I also want to say that I think this topic has been handled quite well. There are obviously people who hold strong opinions that differ greatly from each other. I'm so glad no one descended into name-calling or insulting each other in any way.

GE, thanks for opening up this topic and for the info on your first post. It's certainly food for thought. And RadarO, thanks for your replies and for making us think about another point of view.

Barb

[americanwoman]

to speak or write evasively; or when used as a noun, evasive, vague or misleading speech.

I admire a person with strong opinions and sound logic, goldenearring, but you are all over the place.  And you seem to have been granted "untouchable" status on this website; apparently you're immune from criticism and  are never held accountable for your wobbly beliefs. You like Jerry Falwell? You don't like Jerry Falwell? Gay people are sinners? Or are they your friends? Overweight women are sinners? Say WHAT?!  

To "blame" the tragedies of September 11 on anyone other than the rightful perpetrator (Osama bin Hiding in a Cave, or whatever his name is) is to misuse and abuse the name of God and to use "religion" to further an ultra-conservative agenda.  Shame on Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson for taking a time of unprecedented global grief and trying to turn it into political currency. To  quote Walter Cronkite:. "It makes you wonder if [Falwell and Robertson are] worshiping the same God as the people who bombed the Trade Centers and the Pentagon." Amen, Walter.

Some of us, I think a lot of us, believe in a God of love and forgiveness, one whose embrace is broad enough to encompass everybody. Even--maybe especially--someone like Mark Bingham,  the gay man who was one of the heroes of United flight 93 who led the passenger uprising against the hijackers.  According to your very intolerant belief systen, Mark Bingham is a "sinner."  I believe that In the eyes of God,  that heroic young man's soul is pure, and he is without sin.

I am appalled  that what passes for "ladylike" behavior around here would be, in any other situation, denounced for the hate mongering that it is.

I applaud you, RadarO, for your immense compassion and sanity. We need so much of that right now. You are awesome.

[andream]

Ya know I think there were about a thousand other ways to express your opinions without a personal attack on the poster. So let me say what I wanted to say when your "I must be Blind" post went up....They make glasses in one hour in most countries of the world.  I did not agree with all of the original poster's statements, nor do I agree with your outright attack of her views either. Nor do I find even remotely amusing your statement that the poster has any more right to free speech than anyone else who visits these forums. but there is a huge difference in a discussion of views and opinions and outright attack.  
And since you were banned at The Admin Authority for similar behavior in past I'm sure you're familiar with an old TAA saying:  play nice or play elsewhere

Edited by admin on 14/11/01 08:04 PM.

[goldenearring]

There is nothing wobbly about what I believe.  If I didn't believe it, I wouldn't have said it: you just don't like me saying it.  Too bad!  You are entitled to your opinions, and I am entitled to mine.  "Topical Climates" is a place to discuss things like this and, if your emotions allow you to do so in a rational, non-emotional way, I'm up for it.  Are you?  And, yes, *anyone* who abuses their (uh, that would be his or her)  body, in any way/shape/form, including overeating, falls into my definition of sinning.  That would include habitual smokers, too.  How many people want to stop doing that, but they can't - - by themselves - - hence, the need for God, IMHO.

I don't see any hate-mongering going on here except your hatred toward me and what I believe.  I believe there are many who believe similarly, maybe not thought-for-thought, though, just like andream and barbri state.  It doesn't really matter.  It's a big beautiful world, and my thoughts count, just like anybody else's, so deal with it.  I didn't close off the discussion, like you seem to be, for other ideas.  How are people supposed to enlarge their world view if the opinions they hold are not allowed to be freely exchanged?  I get the feeling you would put a little yellow star on me, if you could.  Unfortunately, I don't fit into your stereotype of pushing an "ultra-conservative agenda" just because of what I stated above.  I helped to put Paul Wellstone, MN-D, far left, over his ultra-conservative opponent at the time.  The reason?  The one with the ultra-conservative was making fun of Wellstone and getting a little too big for his britches.  Does that make me a contradiction-in-action?  I don't think so.  I think it makes me a thinkin'-for-myself kinda gal.

If you can't put your two-cents' worth without spewing forth your own brand of hate labeled "free reign for everybody but GE," I *still* believe you are the pot calling the kettle black - - only your screen name has changed.  And, the only thing I'm putting down about you is your still-stinky attitude toward anything that's not just the way YOU think it should be.  You would be stiff competition in a wafflin' contest, yourself, m'dear.

P.S.  And, maybe, just maybe, I have what you perceive to be "untouchable" (you still make me laugh) status because I would prefer a civil discussion over mudslinging.  The world may never know.   GE/Sister Golden Hair  LOL

[goldenearring]

Frankly, radar, I would love to discuss this until the cows come home.  I've always seen this forum as a place to get out there, lay stuff on the table, and have different people with widely varying views talk about what's on *their* mind.  That is, of course, if they can do it without losin' it.  It's fine to agree to disagree, but I sure would like to know what you and others think sans the personal attacks.  How on earth are we supposed to expand upon and sometimes modify what we think otherwise?  Still hankerin' for that venom-free poster with a strong opinion and a strong stomach, who can actually sometimes laugh at themselves, too, for much discussion about much stuff of widely varying degrees "political-correctness" in this particular forum.  Are you out there?  GE  (Getting bored talking only about topics like the best pen to use and minor personal problems) in Minneapolis

[kittie]

Can I just say I love this place.  

It is great to be able to get together with people of very different views and debate things in a sensible, mature way.

And to the people who result to name calling, moaning etc - STOP!  

May the debate continue!!

[laundryhater]

Okay, let's continue the debate.

I believe that every human being is a sinner. Only the Lord is perfectly without sin. However, Christians have the power to ask for forgiveness and receive it. That's what makes us different and special than the rest of mankind.

Also, yes what that Mark guy did was very courageous BUT that does not change the fact that he is living in sin as a homosexual. Homosexuality is a sin (I don't care if anyone else thinks it is not - it is.). Just like incest is a sin. It is not what God intended. Those who engage in those acts will be judged and punished by him (think Sodem & Gomorah). God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. God created woman to be a companion to man.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents on the subjects at hand.

Thank you for the opportunity to express my free speech rights.

[laundryhater]

And yes, Gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins.

[radaro]

I don't believe I ever made a personal attack on you.  I made comments about your belief system as you did about mine but I NEVER made an attack on you personally.

I personally don't feel that we should debate this any longer since I feel that we will just travel in circles.  We are both very opinionated and I highly doubt that either of us will change the other's mind.

[dedlered]

Radar,

I don't believe that GE was implying that it was you who was personally attacking her.  

Laura
Deskdemon Forum Board Staff

[goldenearring]

"I don't believe I ever made a personal attack on you. I made comments about your belief system as you did about mine but I NEVER made an attack on you personally. "    NOT "SHOUTING," JUST CAPS TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT IS MY ANSWER TO YOUR COMMENTS:  YOU ARE RIGHT, RADAR.  YOU ARE RIGHT.  YOU ARE RIGHT.  YOU ARE RIGHT.  THE "PERSONAL ATTACKS" COMMENT WAS DIRECTED TO AMERICANWOMAN, AND SHE KNOWS IT.  SHE IS JUST LYING LOW, AS IN THE PAST, HOPING THAT THIS WILL RESULT IN A FLAME WAR.  IT WON'T.  

"I personally don't feel that we should debate this any longer since I feel that we will just travel in circles. We are both very opinionated and I highly doubt that either of us will change the other's mind."  WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE THAT WE ARE BOTH HIGHLY OPINIONATED?  I REITERATE MY OPINION THAT IF WE CAN'T SHARE WHAT WE BELIEVE, IF WE GET SHOT DOWN JUST BECAUSE WHAT WE SAY TICKS EACH OTHER OFF, HOW ON EARTH CAN PEOPLE LEARN FROM EACH OTHER?  MAYBE NOW YOU HAVE COOLED DOWN AND CAN READ WHAT I WROTE BOTH TO THE A-WOMAN AND, THEN, TO YOU, AND GET THE HEART OF THE MESSAGE.  THIS PARTICULAR FORUM **IS** A PLACE TO DISCUSS "HEAVY" STUFF, WITHOUT PERSONAL ATTACKS, AND WHILE KEEPING EMOTIONS IN CHECK.  I DIDN'T ASK TO CHANGE YOUR MIND; I THREW OUT MY OPINION AS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.  WE MAY NEVER CHANGE EACH OTHER'S OPINIONS, BUT IS THERE ANY REASON WHY, IN THIS FORUM, UNDER A CLOAK OF RELATIVE ANONYMITY, WE CAN NOT FREELY SHARE THEM IN ORDER TO LEARN FROM EACH OTHER AND GAIN A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF WHY EACH OF US THINKS THE WAY THAT WE DO?  IF THAT IS TOO MUCH TO ASK, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO ADMIT I DON'T KNOW WHERE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY SUCH AS THIS WOULD PRESENT ITSELF.  LIKE I SAID, TALKING REPETITIVELY ABOUT THE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT MUNDANE THINGS THAT CAN COME UP IN ADMINS AND CAFE ADMIN GETS A LITTLE BORING AFTER WHILE, AT LEAST TO ME.  IF I'M GOING TO SPEND TIME ON A BOARD LIKE THIS, I WANT A LITTLE MORE OUT OF IT THAN TELLING YOU WHAT HAIR COLOR I USE!  (I'M SURE YOU CAN APPRECIATE THAT, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'VE GOT MORE THAN FEW YEARS OF ADMIN EXPERIENCE UNDER YOUR BELT, JUST LIKE I DO.)
OK, ENOUGH ALREADY.

[bethalize]

Ouch! All those caps hurt my eyes.

I had a boss who would do that (type in caps) once - she would kick up if I didn't get her letter absolutely perfect - but she would send out e-mail with spelling mistakes, no punctuation and all caps. Urgh!

Since we're talking about beliefs, I believe that believe should be spelt with three letter E's - belieeve. My fingers type it every time.
And, on the same subject, if the plural of elf is elves and the plural of hoof is hooves, why isn't the plural of belief 'believes'?


Bethalize
Deskdemon Forum Board Staff